Sorry, I'm not arguing that anyone isn't a sell out - I'm arguing the spaces, the public/private dichotomy this sprang from.
The guy running your restaurant may be a total sellout, as could be the guy who invited me to Seder. The difference is that it's their space in which it's taking place - if someone finds my presence at Seder offensive, nothing requires them to attend that Seder. If you don't like the food being sold to foreigners, you don't have to eat at the restaurant. No one pushes it on you in a space that isn't theirs to control.
I thought that was the real point of the argument - it's much less offensive for people to do things in private where it doesn't affect members of the culture who might be offended, where they're not confronted by the appropriation, than to do so in public where there's no way to reasonably avoid it.
It's sort of like a restaurant with a big sign out front that says "Smoking at the bar." If you detest cigarette smoke, you don't go to that restaurant. If you want to smoke, you can go to that restaurant and feel comfortable that you're not offending the people around you with your smoking. If you go to that restaurant, you can't in honesty complain about the smoke, you chose to go there instead of elsewhere. If you think smoking is a societal evil that must be abolished, and it's very important to you, you can stand outside with a picket sign saying so.
Admittedly, this doesn't get into the serious ramifications of spiritual/religious appropriation, but that's a very different topic.
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Date: 2008-09-27 06:42 pm (UTC)The guy running your restaurant may be a total sellout, as could be the guy who invited me to Seder. The difference is that it's their space in which it's taking place - if someone finds my presence at Seder offensive, nothing requires them to attend that Seder. If you don't like the food being sold to foreigners, you don't have to eat at the restaurant. No one pushes it on you in a space that isn't theirs to control.
I thought that was the real point of the argument - it's much less offensive for people to do things in private where it doesn't affect members of the culture who might be offended, where they're not confronted by the appropriation, than to do so in public where there's no way to reasonably avoid it.
It's sort of like a restaurant with a big sign out front that says "Smoking at the bar." If you detest cigarette smoke, you don't go to that restaurant. If you want to smoke, you can go to that restaurant and feel comfortable that you're not offending the people around you with your smoking. If you go to that restaurant, you can't in honesty complain about the smoke, you chose to go there instead of elsewhere. If you think smoking is a societal evil that must be abolished, and it's very important to you, you can stand outside with a picket sign saying so.
Admittedly, this doesn't get into the serious ramifications of spiritual/religious appropriation, but that's a very different topic.